I_Jedi

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  1.  

    After the updates stopped on moddb, I found some other updates on some Russian community for Underhell. It suggests that the redone version of the Hermit is done; good job. However, that outlet stopped shortly after displaying the new version of the player character. I doubt many found that update, so I'll just put it here for others who happen upon this post:

    UiIbs-7dn8M.jpg

    Also, the length of time until the estimated release date suggests we're ~54% there.

    All these images are taken from Alexander Voysey's ModDB profile.

    He posts his WIPs there.

     

     

    Good to know.


  2. Hm?

     

    Sorry, I made a miscalculation. I misjudged the amount of time between days.

     

    Assuming the same amount of time is used for the new stuff, the release date is February 28, 2016.

     

    I was using a generalization of Black Mesa's release time as a worst case scenario.

     

    After the updates stopped on moddb, I found some other updates on some Russian community for Underhell. It suggests that the redone version of the Hermit is done; good job. However, that outlet stopped shortly after displaying the new version of the player character. I doubt many found that update, so I'll just put it here for others who happen upon this post:

     

    UiIbs-7dn8M.jpg

     

    Also, the length of time until the estimated release date suggests we're ~54% there.


  3.  

    Waiting is hard, but we're almost there.

     

    -Terrance Mason

     

    The wait makes the final release so much sweeter.

     

    I believe not almost but okay...

     

    Assuming Underhell isn't dead already:

     

    We're more accurately close to about a fourth there.


  4.  

    I have completed Underhell another time. Some notifications:
     
    1. There are several clues in Chapter One that Jake is in UDRC, not ARC:
     
    - In Level 2 Oxygen Room there is conversation between Terry and Ben and Ben questioning the sense about a prison in middle of the city,
    - in Level 2 Mainframe monitors show view of the city,
    - in Level 5, the room where Matthew was killed is similiar to the room where SWAT found Jake at the end of Prologue,
    - Level 5 offices are similiar to UDRC offices from the end of Prologue,
    - During City Void, Jake can see a huge hole under the city,
    - Policeman said that thanks to Jake's story they found a way to enter the faclity and Jake wasn't send to Arizona so they found entry to UDRC,
     
    2. Random thinks:
     
    - When Michael said "So tell me Jake" the flashback starts,
    - Jake wrong think that PMC captured him in Police station and send to ARC,
    - escape from ARC was mind fantasy,
    - thanks to some conversation between inmates you can learn that Hermit lived in faclity since build of it,
    - Hermit is very important character - in his lair you can notice newspapers with article about firing of his house - his house is similiar to The House,
    - The House isn't real - its a place in Jake's mind (everytime when Jake was sleeping or was in trouble he shift to House)
    - after 3rd reading of Tom H Journal you can see firing of The House,
    - after 4th reading of Tom H Journal you can see Guilt in test tube,
    -  the infection started in ARC - Terminus can be a source behind it,
    - at first there was outbreak in ARC then there was another in UDRC,
    - terrorist attack in city was a cover for PMC actions in UDRC,
    - the city seems to be based on New York (Twin Towers, NYC registration tablets on police cars),
    - after Berserk Jake was captured and send to prison in Level 0,
    - the scene where SWAT found Jake after Berserk was set after escape from the faclity,
    - we don't know what happend with Jake between shoot in the head and found by SWAT,
    - Jake somehow knows about ARC because he set his memories from UDRC into ARC,

     

     

    UDRC came first; it could be on the other side of town.

     

    Then Jake is sent to the ARC.

     

    Chapter 1 here.

     

    Michael puts Jake in a trance at the end of the Prologue.

     

    Chapter 2 intro here.

     

    So the two can potentially exist.


  5. You're referring to the dreams in Chapter 1 itself, I see.

     

    They should be rather straightforward. If Guilt shows up, you need to hide in one of those green boxes with the slits on it. Those dreams don't get much tougher than that. The House Dreams are a different story.


  6. Some additional evidence that that the NH2 Romero essentially made a pocket universe bringing in things from other universes:

     

    After another playthrough of NH2, I have studied the pocket universe's skybox and I have found that there is nothing except mountains in all directions. The City in the UH universe is just outside the NH2 hospital, according to the lore. There is clearly no city out there, but there is a single road that can be used. A hospital literally in the middle of nowhere serves no practical purpose, so it must have been stolen from its original universe.

     

    A revision of the NH2 Alpha Squad's fate: I have noticed that the alternate Alpha Squad makes a short cameo before the final chapter. When moving through the vents when Alpha 1 tells you to open a door (this is during the forklift puzzle in the warehouse) you can see the alternate Alpha Squad dead on the floor, with only skeletons remaining. They were presumably killed by the same monster that killed UH Alpha 2.


  7. Let me explain all this to you, before the "NH2 has nothing to do with Underhell" people say their thing. This is a bit of speculation which certainly has not been confirmed by the devs and never will to keep interpretations open.

     

    Underhell is an alternate timeline of Nightmare House 2. Although Romero was very important in NH2's universe, he has been reduced to an honest doctor in the UH (of which shall henceforth refer to Underhell) universe. Presumably, Emily Romero of the UH universe is still alive, and the hospital featured in NH2 is still active. The hospital, according to the wiki, is just outside the city in UH, presumably in both timelines. Since the devs are quite firm on the statement that NH2 will not appear more in the UH universe, this is my interpretation of how NH2 ties in with UH, without leaving any loose ends open:

     

    In September in the UH universe, Mrs. Romero of the NH2 universe died. The Core of NH2 was used by Romero to try to merge the hospitals of both universes. Alpha Squad of the UH universe is sent in, and is transported to the NH2 universe (their NH2 counterparts were never called, because the City in NH2 does not exist, and so no one would know). Since NH2's Emily is dead and UH's Emily is alive, the Core got confused and made her something in between. It would be safe to say that UH's Romero is one of the walking corpses in the NH1 section. In order to secure her release from the NH2 universe and get revenge for her husband, Emily plots to kill off her husband's counterpart. Of course, Romero augments the Core to prevent her from getting to him. The merging of the two universes are the cause of the hallucinations. For example, in the NH2 area with the reducing hallway, the hallucination is switching to Underhell's counterpart of the room, which does not exist. The hallucinations could accidentally include objects from other timelines, as well.

     

    The events of Underhell causes the hospital staff to be zombified. Due to its lack of strategic value, no one decides to clear out the zombies within. As such, the hospital staff of NH2 is merged with their zombified counterparts. The shadows that appear are people who did not exist in NH2, but were brought in anyway, causing their dark state due to there being no body to merge with. Romero, knowing that the zombies don't like light, ensured that there was minimal light throughout the complex, if the light wasn't already destroyed by zombies before the merge. The mannequin sequence and blood-down-the-walls sequences are presumably other timelines leaking in. The strange zombies are probably zombified intruders from another, third timeline. This can also explain why the fourth Alpha Squad member can disappear in an instant, because he was momentarily shifted into an alternate NH2 hospital (presumably UH's counterpart).

     

    Alpha Squad, due to entering the area being merged, is sent into the future by a month by the Core. Their memory of a different HQ is the reason they cannot contact their superiors.

     

    Destroying the Core cancelled the merging attempt. Since the hospital will never appear again (I believe), it is assumed that the merging attempt caused the UH hospital to cease to exist in the UH universe, and is now trapped in the NH2 universe. The good thing is that the Core's destruction shifted Emily back to UH's universe and the dimensional merging barrier is gone. Since everyone except one lone NH2 universe native is dead for both hospitals, there wasn't any collateral damage from the act of destroying the Core.

     

    And that is my reasoning for why there will be no more NH2 references in UH: Everyone is either dead or shifted to the other universe.


  8. Another one I found:

     

    When I was shooting at zombies, moving backwards, with my flashlight on, during the sewer sequence where Jake splits off from Bryan and Matthew, falling into the hole/slide did not remove the flashlight. Instead, it was permanently turned on with no way to turn it off. I did not see if the actual flashlight pickup would have fixed this.


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    Bryan? Be warned - spoilers ahead - incase you were ignoring everything I said earlier. Some of us could clearly see Bryan escaping along with Takeo during the very intro of Chapter 2's small opening teaser... after exiting the interrogation room. Curious, why Bryan and not anyone else? It's obvious that he was there when you were shot trying to escape, but how do we know whether Terrace or Benjamin even died (yet) during the train's journey to the surface? I keep feeling like there's more to it than just that. I don't believe that Mxthe would leave us confused like some and continue the story as the way it is. Darn you, Mxthe. :p:  Now i'm going to have dreams.

     

    Oh umm Clearly responding to the underlined words,Terry and Ben already Died In the EXPLOSION (during the escape) meaning that they Failed to do what they had todo.

     

     

    Ben and Terry are MIA; at best we'll see them in very late Chapter 2 or Chapter 3.

     

    The explosion you say in the desert didn't happen. The desert escape was an alternate series of events Jake thought up. In reality, Bryan and Jake were captured after fighting Igor.

     

    I assume that Ben and Terry are hiding in the basement somewhere to let Ito and the zombies fight each other.


  10.  

    Where do you find the grenade launcher? All I know is that it's in the labs somewhere.

     

    There is a secret room in the Maintenance Labs. You can access it by going through the vent ,just like when you open the elevator schaft to MGPS, but this time you go the opposite way.You'll end up in another control room locked from the inside, and there is another room with boxes full of pistol's ammo and grenades (for both MGL and MP5 EOD). The Grenade Launcher may randomly spawn there, on the table.

     

     

    I'll take a look on my next playthrough.


  11. I see. Using that logic...

     

    I believe Mxthe said before that we can assume that the port to engine2013 will be ready sooner than Chapter 1's wait time. Therefore, assume the maximum, 1.5 years. (At February 2016)

     

    Judging from Mxthe's posts in the past leading up to Chapter 1, Chapter 2 will be out a year after the port is finished. This is to be considered true for the next two Chapters, as well, since I will be optimistic and assume there won't be another engine switch. So:

     

    Chapter 2: March 2017

    Chapter 3: April 2018

    Chapter 4 (dev completion): May 2019

    Full thing: November 2019


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    So, since mxthe is working on other projects and Chapter 1 is being reworked into the Source 2013 w/ new art and Steam release so Chapter 2 is not under development.

    Is my assumption correct? How long will it take for CH2, 2/3 years? Thx for answer.

    Yep, you're correct.

    It is hard to say how long Ch. 2 will be in development since... you know what.

    My prediction:

    Port comes out in 2 years (2016).

    Ch2 comes out 3 years later (2019).

    Assume dev time linearly increases, so assuming no more engine troubles, the full thing will be out in ~2030.

    Lolwut??

    You know what really took that long to release chapter one?

    Underhell had no combat/survival/stealth features at all. By the time, the team was so NEW to developing a mod, that they had barely any experience. Half of the development time was a big fixing.

    But now team got bigger and more professionally experienced.

    Features and gameplay mechanics have been created. There will be less troubles with bugs and glitches now.

    Chapter 1 remake will just feature same thing, except everything will be remodeled. And while thing a are getting remodeled, there isn't much required for Mxthe to do. Meanwhile he can go on with his jobs on other game companies.

    And chapter 2 development to take 3 years?

    I will only consider your theory, last resort/worst case scenario. And it is yet highly unlikely

     

     

    Judging from the information on Chapter 1 shortly after the Prologue came out, the framework for Chapter 1 was essentially already made. Due to the engine upgrade, they have to start from scratch (partially model-wise and certainly map-wise) for Chapter 2. I figure, though I can't prove, that Chapter 1's maps were made in the space of ~2-3 years before the Prologue was made.


  13.  

    So, since mxthe is working on other projects and Chapter 1 is being reworked into the Source 2013 w/ new art and Steam release so Chapter 2 is not under development.

    Is my assumption correct? How long will it take for CH2, 2/3 years? Thx for answer.

     

    Yep, you're correct.

    It is hard to say how long Ch. 2 will be in development since... you know what.

     

    My prediction:

     

    Port comes out in 2 years (2016).

    Ch2 comes out 3 years later (2019).

    Assume dev time linearly increases, so assuming no more engine troubles, the full thing will be out in ~2030.


  14. Guilt failed to spawn when its chases you around the second time in the Chapter 1 hub dreamscape.

     

    This is what happened: I finished all four side dreams. Guilt spawned, and I hid until the sequence stopped. Then I walked around more and caused Tom to do one of his projected memories. Then Guilt spawned again, I hid, and the sequence didn't stop. I walked around looking for it, but it was nowhere. I had to restart to fix it.

     

    Edit: Bryan's side quest fails to start if two survivors are saved at once after saving the first main quest batch.


  15.  

    Perhaps the red-green lights were having Jake just move past other, useless events in his memory such as being unconscious.

    That makes sense for all but one blinking light sequence.  The one at the end of the Residential Area right before the first encounter with the PMCs.  Nothing seems to trigger that one other than Jake simply walking down a hallway when everything suddenly turns rusty and decayed.  I think the Hermit mentions it later on as well, stating that Jake looked like he was wandering around in a drunken stupor when it happened.  What do you think that means?

     

     

    There are several possibilities:

     

    1. Most likely, Jake starting remembering Chapter 1 wrong since that part of his memory was likely corrupted or removed. Think of Jake's memory as a train, and that segment of the game causing a derailment. Presumably, Michael fast-forwarded to a more stable part of his memory. Also, some proof that this is, in fact, a retelling of the past: If you allow Ben to die when he goes to Core Command, a message pops up saying "That's not how it happened.." and then the game reloads.

     

    1a. It had something to do with some sort of super-zombie. The rustiness indicated that the super-zombie was coming, and the memory of Jake encountering the super-zombie was skipped.

     

    2. Alternative universe; Jake entered Underhell's Otherworld counterpart briefly before blacking out and being sent back to the prime universe.