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The confirmation is implied by the second guy in the suit at the end when talking about how they got Jake.

 

Yes of course, but Bryan could be able to tell Jake how exactly it looked like.

 

So it's also implied that Ben and Terry managed to keep the MGPS from exploding.

 

Yeah ^^ I hope we'll meet them in Chapter Two. Besides, I don't think that after so many deaths of his friends (and Alex!) Bryan will be able to just leave Terry and Ben on their own. Also, if Jessica truly is Bryan's sister, maybe we'll have to help with saving her! That would be so epic!

 

 

 

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Recently I started playing for the second time. When I was walking around the facility near the end of Prologue (U.D.R.C.), I noticed some similarity to A.R.C. from Chapter One. Also we entered this facility from the lowest level of the underground parking lot, so it could be Level 5 or 4 for The Core - everything makes even more sense during the second playthrough :D Moreover - as we all know - the hostage stated that Mia's working there. Her presence in Chapter One couldn't be Jake's hallucination - both Raito and Hermit saw her.

 

Also when Jake was making his way to the mall rooftops, he was acknowledged that some SWAT team was already dispatched to Arizona - from where the enemy chopper flew from - and they found NOTHING besides some abandoned hangars and a lot of dead bodies. SWAT are highly trained specialists. If they didn't found a large on-ground entrance to the underground complex - it wasn't there. Simple and clear.

 

 

Returning to "Jake and his clones" case, I'm not denying that he was cloned. According to Tom's diary, Jake was cloned and not just one time. I only think that during the first visit to The House (Jake receiving call from Frank, packing his things and driving off to the danger zone), Prologue, Chapter One and Chapter Two (intro) we're playing as one and the same Jake.

 

 

 

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Actually I think that Jake visited the police department two times:

  • first time after his massacre in Prologue [afterwards Jake was taken to A.R.C. (or U.D.R.C. if you want) as a prisoner],
  • second time after he was shot in the head in Chapter One (afterwards Jake was questioned about the events in A.R.C. and some time later was rescued by Raito).

By "afterwards" I mean "after he visited the interrogation room".

 

 

Oh, and I made a simple scheme, which helps to understand my statement about "Jake and his clones" case.

 

 

With your no clones theory what about the one scene at the end of the prologue where something was happening outside the room jake was in, but you can witness that SAME event in the chapter 2 intro as you're walking by the hallway? This isn't possible unless there are two Jakes, but it happens RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU. This is the confusing part.

 

Quote from one of my comments in a previous thread:

 

"When you escape, Micheal (It was confirmed in that thread that he was NOT killed. Ignore that part.) and the others were killed by whatever was in the room, you're playing as Jake 2 and escaping.

 

In the prologue, the last thing you hear before the "We have our orders" line, is "So Jake... Tell me."

 

Then the screen flashes and nobody is in the room. You hear this conversation "I have my orders. We'll take him with us." "The hell you will! This is our jurisdiction. Who the hell do you think you are?" "You don't want to know. Take him away."

 

This is when everyone is out in the hallway."

 

 

The problem is, as you pass by that room in the chapter 2 intro, you hear this.

 

 

"I have my orders. We'll take him with us."

"The hell you will! This is our jurisdiction. Who the hell do you think you are?"

"You don't want to know. Take him away."

 

The exact same conversation, in the exact same place, from two different points of view that cannot coexist without there being a second Jake.

 

 

Yeah, I know about this conversation, but it's still very confusing. Everything seems to support my theory... except this dialogue :/

 

But Jake couldn't be imprisoned without a reason, so Chapter One rather takes place some time after Prologue, right? Also it would be strange if they sentenced Jake A for something that was done by Jake B :P Also in Chapter One, Danko is dead and Ito's confirming (sort of) that we're playing as the same Jake as in Prologue as this is OUR second exposure to The Gas.

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I've got a new theory. What if Raito already rescued Terry and Ben before he helped Jake and Bryan? He had plenty of time to do so. Maybe they are (Terry and Ben) currently hiding in some safehouse along with some uninfected civilians? I can imagine Terry as a leader of the survivors :D

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Yeah, I know about this conversation, but it's still very confusing. Everything seems to support my theory... except this dialogue :/

 

But Jake couldn't be imprisoned without a reason, so Chapter One rather takes place some time after Prologue, right? Also it would be strange if they sentenced Jake A for something that was done by Jake B :P Also in Chapter One, Danko is dead and Ito's confirming (sort of) that we're playing as the same Jake as in Prologue as this is OUR second exposure to The Gas.

 

 

 

We do not know the reason, condemned "second Jack".
But, I do not think "Jack Prologue" without trial could be thrown in prison.
I think that the events of the Prologue and Chapter 1 - go in parallel.
 
"Jack Prologue": house - city - under city - kill all - police station -  ? City (Chapter 2)
"Jack second":    prison (Chapter 1) - police station                     -  ? City (Chapter 2)
 
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I think the prison out of town but not far. Because they went by train.
Or can on the contrary, as in a film Resident Evil - base under the city, and the train leaves for out of town.

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We do not know the reason, condemned "second Jack".

 

We know the reason. Moreover, one of the security guards (before the outbreak starts for good) told something like this: "Do you actually believe he killed them all?" I'm pretty sure it was about Jake.

 

 

I think that the events of the Prologue and Chapter 1 - go in parallel.

 

Well, it seems to not be quite possible. In Prologue - Jake kills Danko and is exposed for The Gas for the first time. In Chapter One - Danko is already dead and Ito states that Jake was exposed for The Gas before.

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We do not know the reason, condemned "second Jack".

 

We know the reason. Moreover, one of the security guards (before the outbreak starts for good) told something like this: "Do you actually believe he killed them all?" I'm pretty sure it was about Jake.

 

 

I think that the events of the Prologue and Chapter 1 - go in parallel.

 

Well, it seems to not be quite possible. In Prologue - Jake kills Danko and is exposed for The Gas for the first time. In Chapter One - Danko is already dead and Ito states that Jake was exposed for The Gas before.

 

 

This is how I think the chronology is:

 

-> Prologue first - up until the Michael portion.

-> Royce has a chat with the policeman and stuffs him in the ARC.

-> Chapter 1 (That is - the actual events of Chapter 1; nothing in the Chapter 2 teaser section). Presumably, the police and SWAT unit are suppressed or killed by Ito's PMC during this time.

-> Royce captures Jake; Jake is sent to the police station.

-> Jake meets Michael for the first time, and Michael tells Jake that a lot of people died. (A lot of terrorists and maybe a few hostages died in the Prologue, and who really cares about the terrorists dying? In the ARC however, A LOT of people died.) The SWAT unit at the end of the Prologue is fine (they whack Jake in the head at the end), but Michael says that they are dead.

-> Michael puts Jake in that red-green trance The bullet in the brain messed up Jake's memory, so he can't really remember Chapter 1, forcing Michael to put him in the trance.

I have the full transcript of the Prologue ending with Michael here:

 

Michael: My name is Michael. And I am a lawyer. And much more. Do you know why you're here? You're here because...many people died. Suspects. Civilians. Unidentified personnel. Policemen. And even your own SWAT unit. All dead.

Michael: You're not being charged of anything yet. The scene is being analyzed. But...it's pretty big. There's more than a mile to go through on the surface. And way more below. Do you have anything to say? Do you actually remember anything?

*pause*

Michael: Alright. I guess you do not.

*Door opens, cop walks in*

Cop: I can tell you one thing. Someone has to be held responsible for this. And judging by all the people that died, and you are the last man standing, I held you responsible for this. And I'm going to make sure you go straight to hell for what you did!

Michael: Officer, please leave the room.

*Cop leaves, closes door*

Michael: Forgive him. He lost a friend in the incident. You see this is a rather big...incident. It's all over the news and the entire city...country...is frightened. From what I've heard, the government is actually sending Homeland Security along with the Army to this facility. To try and uncover what's going on there. They haven't even managed to enter the complex yet so...Right now, you're the only one who knows what lies within. So, Jake. Tell me.

*Trance starts. Player is shifted back to the end of the REAL end of the Prologue.*

 

-> Chapter 1 is remembered by Jake. This is what the player is actually playing in Chapter 1. (Example - If you go with Ben and Terry to do something at Core Command at the end, and either Ben or Terry is killed, you get a message saying "That's not how it happened" and you restart from your last save.)

-> Transition between Chapter 1 and Chapter 2 teaser. In the meantime, the zombie infestation has become worse due to having time the length of Chapter 1 to expand.

-> Chapter 2.

 

 

Also, there is something else in Chapter 1 which is strange; during the Dream sequence directly after Jake gets shot in the face and before the dream escape from the ARC, the player walks through a red-green light door and hears both Ito and Michael say, at the same time, "Well, you are quite hard to track down." What is that about?

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-> Prologue first - up until the Michael portion.

-> Royce has a chat with the policeman and stuffs him in the ARC.

-> Chapter 1 (That is - the actual events of Chapter 1; nothing in the Chapter 2 teaser section). Presumably, the police and SWAT unit are suppressed or killed by Ito's PMC during this time.

 

You mean that after Jake's massacre in Prologue, he was sent to the police station, but he didn't meet Micheal yet (nor The Furious Policeman) and afterwards was sent to prison? Hmm... it even makes sense.

 

-> Royce captures Jake; Jake is sent to the police station.

 

You mean the moment since Jake is shot in the head, right? Hmm... but it would be strange if Ito's men would capture Jake for Micheal and policemen and then (after about a week) storm the police department killing everyone in sight :/ But maybe... maybe when infection started spreading in The City, Ito went tired of waiting and decided to "take action"?

 

-> Jake meets Michael for the first time, and Michael tells Jake that a lot of people died. (A lot of terrorists and maybe a few hostages died in the Prologue, and who really cares about the terrorists dying? In the ARC however, A LOT of people died.) The SWAT unit at the end of the Prologue is fine (they whack Jake in the head at the end), but Michael says that they are dead.

But The Furious Cop said "And judging by all the people that died, and you are the last man standing, I held you responsible for this". But what the hell? Bryan was standing too, right? I'm pretty sure that the cop was still talking about Jake's massacre from the Prologue.

 

the player walks through a red-green light door and hears both Ito and Michael say, at the same time, "Well, you are quite hard to track down." What is that about?

 

I have no idea :/

 

 

Summarize: according to your theory, Jake visited the police department two times, but he met Micheal only during the second visit? Very good theory!

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-> Prologue first - up until the Michael portion.
-> Royce has a chat with the policeman and stuffs him in the ARC.
-> Chapter 1 (That is - the actual events of Chapter 1; nothing in the Chapter 2 teaser section). Presumably, the police and SWAT unit are suppressed or killed by Ito's PMC during this time.

 
You mean that after Jake's massacre in Prologue, he was sent to the police station, but he didn't meet Micheal yet (nor The Furious Policeman) and afterwards was sent to prison? Hmm... it even makes sense.
 

 

Precisely.

 

 


-> Royce captures Jake; Jake is sent to the police station.

 
You mean the moment since Jake is shot in the head, right? Hmm... but it would be strange if Ito's men would capture Jake for Micheal and policemen and then (after about a week) storm the police department killing everyone in sight :/ But maybe... maybe when infection started spreading in The City, Ito went tired of waiting and decided to "take action"?

 

The police station was being invaded by every faction. Raito was there to bust Jake and Bryan, the zombies were getting very close (you can see them through the windows), Jake's Wife was there to break things, and Ito's guys are trigger-happy because of the chaos. Ito might not have even ordered Jake killed; perhaps Royce lost his cool or he misinterpreted Ito's orders. Ito himself is probably still in the ARC to prevent Ben and Terry from escaping.

 


-> Jake meets Michael for the first time, and Michael tells Jake that a lot of people died. (A lot of terrorists and maybe a few hostages died in the Prologue, and who really cares about the terrorists dying? In the ARC however, A LOT of people died.) The SWAT unit at the end of the Prologue is fine (they whack Jake in the head at the end), but Michael says that they are dead.


But The Furious Cop said "And judging by all the people that died, and you are the last man standing, I held you responsible for this". But what the hell? Bryan was standing too, right? I'm pretty sure that the cop was still talking about Jake's massacre from the Prologue.


 

 

It is possible that the cop wasn't told that Bryan is alive or Bryan was too injured to be considered "standing." Alternatively, because Bryan is wearing his combat armor instead of civvie clothes like Jake, it is possible that Bryan was a very recent capture and they had no time to have him remove his armor.

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It is possible that the cop wasn't told that Bryan is alive or Bryan was too injured to be considered "standing." Alternatively, because Bryan is wearing his combat armor instead of civvie clothes like Jake, it is possible that Bryan was a very recent capture and they had no time to have him remove his armor.

 

Or maybe the cop recognized Jake as the one they captured before at the end of "U.D.R.C. Adventures". Then when he saw Jake and Bryan as (supposedly) only survivors from yet another incident, it's no shocker that he suspected Jake as one responsible for the second incident.

 

Ito might not have even ordered Jake killed; perhaps Royce lost his cool or he misinterpreted Ito's orders.

 

But anyway, this is what Royce is for - terminating runaways.

 

 

This line supports your theory like no other in my opinion:

 

"It's all over the news and the entire city...country...is frightened."

 

EXACTLY! What would be scary about one guy slaughtering a lot of terrorists and some workers? Well... it would be very scary for sure, but the whole COUNTRY wouldn't be scared. But when people are listening about hordes of zombies roaming some large facility - they are scared! What if they get infected?! Probably this is how the entire panic started, which evolved to mass riots as seen in Chapter Two intro. Plot in this game is one consistent masterpiece! :D

 

 

Hmm... but this line still concerns me:

 

"Right now, you're the only one who knows what lies within."

 

But the same can be said about Bryan. Hmm...

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As I said, Bryan was probably recently captured, too injured to say anything, or was actually attacking the police station. Bryan had full combat gear during his cameo in Chapter 2. Its fully possible that Bryan escaped the ambush at the end of Chapter 1, met up with Raito, and helped shut off the lights in the police station so Jake could get away. Then Bryan runs off to protect the helicopter above the police station while Raito goes back to find Jake.

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But in Chapter Two intro it clearly looks like Bryan is being rescued from one of the interrogation rooms by Raito. Moreover, I think that his (Raito's) high-tech equipment is capable of turning lights off in no time (as seen before escaping from interrogation room).

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But in Chapter Two intro it clearly looks like Bryan is being rescued from one of the interrogation rooms by Raito. Moreover, I think that his (Raito's) high-tech equipment is capable of turning lights off in no time (as seen before escaping from interrogation room).

I took a look at some footage of Bryan escaping. A door opens, blue flash, and Bryan comes sprinting out. The point here is that Bryan has combat armor on, but Jake does not. Surely if he was being interrogated, Bryan would have been relieved of his combat gear?

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Hmm... you may have a point indeed. Well, I think that we just need Chapter Two and meet Bryan - everything will be clear then.

 

 

I've been wondering... How much time passed between Jake's first visit to the police department and his imprisonment in A.R.C. (U.D.R.C.)? Probably it was enough time for Terry to got assigned to the new job - as the chief of prison security. I'm curious what happened with the previous chief of security, as there was need for a new one. Probably was infected and died shortly after.

 

 

 

EDIT (the same day)

 

Alright. I have an idea for another discussion subject, but before I start - let's get straight with few things:
  • Jake was probably abandoned when he was quite aware of certain things. Let's say that he was six years old at the moment of abandonment. Why am I making such assumption? Well... in Her diary we can read that at one night (or was it morning?) Jake was talking in his sleep. He said "Father, don't leave me!". So yeah, no new-born baby is able to comprehend such moments in life.
  • Jake and She are about the same age (yes, She's dead, but let's assume She's alive at the moment).
  • Mia and She are about the same age (from Her diary: Jessica introduced me to another Japanese girl. Well, her mother is Japanese and her father is half-Japanese, but still it is nice to see a girl that is not blonde. Her name is Mia, she's not in my grade but I see her sometimes when leaving school. Alright. Although Mia wasn't in Her grade, I'm pretty sure that She wasn't much younger than Mia.
  • so as an outcome - Jake, She and Mia are around the same age.
 
Alright, we're done. So now the real fun begins.
 
You probably remember that just before giving Jake to Frank, Tom had a conversation with a woman. So uh... whoever she is... she's certainly NOT Mia. She would be merely a child at this moment.
 
But of course I'm not denying that Mia worked for Tom Hawkfield. In his diary it's clearly stated that she did. Let's assume that she's currently 27. My theory is as follows: she started working for Tom when she was about 20 years old and helped him to cope with Jake's abandonment.
 
 
 
There's only one matter left: how can Jake know Mia?
 
From Her diary: When Jake falls asleep, he has nightmares, and he even screams names and numbers. I couldn't understand all of it but I am sure (...) he also said "Mia"... I don't remember mentioning Mia
 
So in my opinion, both Jake and Mia were born in the same place (maybe U.D.R.C. or other facility?). They grew up together, but at some point Jake was abandoned by his father. It totally explains how Jake can know Mia.
 
 
 
EDIT (12.01)
 
I've noticed something interesting about "where is A.R.C.?" case.
 
Let's take a look at Eric's speech about his disappointment:
 
When I was sent here they told me I was in a five years contract and I understood that, they also told me I'd be living in the workplace. But, I had no idea it was a freaking bunker! This really wasn't explained to me.
 
Now tell me: what is the difference (in Eric's style) between those two types of facilities:
  • facility situated in (or very near) the city, but very deep underground,
  • facility situated on-ground, but in the middle of nowhere (like Arizona).

That's right. If this facility would be placed in the middle of Arizona, I don't think that Eric would decide to work here. Yet another proof that Jake (and the others) never visited Arizona in Chapter One.

 

 

 

I need to update my thoughts about the reasons behind sending Jake to the prison in A.R.C./U.D.R.C.

 

At first I thought that it was because he killed many people in U.D.R.C., but now - after the second playthrough - I know I was wrong. During the second encounter with the virus (through the gas), Ito said that after Jake's first exposure (in the Prologue), HE WAS ORDERED TO CAPTURE HIM. And this is what happened immediately after Jake was sent (for the first time) to the police department by the SWAT guys at the end of the Prologue. No one was even able to talk with Jake in the interrogation room, as he was taken right away by Ito's guys and - as stated by I_Jedi - that was the first event Jake remembered (after being knocked out by the SWAT guy after U.D.R.C. massacre) and the first he told about to Micheal, after he said "So, Jake. Tell me."

 

Hell, maybe the second exposure was even planned by Ito from the moment they got Jake in?!

 

 

And BTW guys, seriously... no one wants to discuss Mia's case? O_o

 

 

 

EDIT (18.01)

 

DAMMIT! HOW STUPID I AM!!! I need to make a complete change of my assumption about how old was Jake when he was abandoned!

 

Firstly, I discovered (thanks to ViolentValentine) that IT WAS Mia who's talking with Tom just before he abandoned his son. So now, let's look at Frank in the Prologue. This guy is relatively young in both his appearance and voice, so he's not much older than Jake! What does it mean?

 

Jake must've been around 18 years old when he was given to Frank's care!

 

If that's the case, then Mia's problem solves automatically! If she's at the same age as Jake ("Her" diary kinda confirms that and she can't be older than Jake, obviously), then it's no surprise that she was already an adult during Jake's abandonment!

 

YEAH! Mystery solved! :D

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Who's Royce? The guy with Michael that Takeo kills in the Jake breakout?

 

Royce is the third member of Ito's Triad (the others - Danko and Marcus, are dead now). In Chapter Two Teaser he was ordered to find and eliminate Jake in the police station. You can even see him talking to the officer at the entrance:

 

"I have my orders. We'll take him with us."

 

One way or another the PMCs will kill the officer and Royce's no longer have been seen.

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I see that this thread is long dead. It's time to change that.  :D I know that my arguments may be pretty blurry and unclear, so I'm inviting you to discuss.

 

 

Well, I disagree with two theories:

  • we're playing as two different Jakes OR Jake is connecting his conscious with memories of one of his clones OR in Chapter One Jake is reliving his memories from Prologue, but he puts them to another place,
  • Chapter One takes place in Arizona.

 

Here, I'm gonna explain why I disagree.

 

 

As first, let's go with Jake's clones case. A lot of you think that Jake from Prologue and Chapter Two is not the same Jake as from Chapter One.

 

Alright. Events from Prologue are all real, right? Then we can assume that:

  • Jake NEVER met any security guards in U.D.R.C. in Prologue,
  • Jake NEVER met Mia in U.D.R.C. in Prologue,
  • Jake killed Danko in Prologue,
  • at the end of Prologue he was just knocked out, not shot in the head.

 

According to above statements, Jake couldn't be reliving his memories from U.D.R.C. from Prologue in Chapter One, because:

  • Jake was imprisoned in A.R.C. in Chapter One,
  • he met security officers in Chapter One,
  • Danko was already dead in Chapter One,
  • Ito clearly stated that Jake's exposure for The Gas in Chapter One was the second one,
  • at the end of Chapter One he was shot in the head.

 

And now, some say that Jake from Chapter One is not the one from Chapter Two intro. But how the hell, if the police officer said "we already know what happened from the moment HE was shot in the head and we took him in"?

 

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Now, about place of events from Chapter One. I don't think it was Arizona. In my opinion it was under The City (including the core, the prison and the labs). Why?

  • we can never see outside of the facility until Jake is sniped. We know pretty well that the wole escape part after being shot is just his fantasy,
  • "he was shot in the head and we took him in" sounds too simple. I mean that the simple phrase "we took him in" doesn't indicate that Jake was transported all the loooong way from Arizona to the police department in The City. Also he must have received immediate medical treatment after such wound. Ito's men probably thought that he's dead and they left him dying on the floor. Some time later he was probably found by Micheal/policeman and taken to the hospital. If he would be in the middle of Arizona, he would simply die - I doubt that there would be Micheal or anybody else waiting for him. And even if someone would be, he couldn't make it to the nearest city alive.
  • also if it wasn't in The City, I don't think that anyone would be interested in taking Bryan as well, but I'm probably wrong about this one :P

 

I think when Jake got shot in the head , he got put into coma

 

 

P.S Again My grammar sucks..

 

Edit : The Bullet puts jakes into coma

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I see that this thread is long dead. It's time to change that.  :D I know that my arguments may be pretty blurry and unclear, so I'm inviting you to discuss.

 

 

Well, I disagree with two theories:

  • we're playing as two different Jakes OR Jake is connecting his conscious with memories of one of his clones OR in Chapter One Jake is reliving his memories from Prologue, but he puts them to another place,
  • Chapter One takes place in Arizona.

 

Here, I'm gonna explain why I disagree.

 

 

As first, let's go with Jake's clones case. A lot of you think that Jake from Prologue and Chapter Two is not the same Jake as from Chapter One.

 

Alright. Events from Prologue are all real, right? Then we can assume that:

  • Jake NEVER met any security guards in U.D.R.C. in Prologue,
  • Jake NEVER met Mia in U.D.R.C. in Prologue,
  • Jake killed Danko in Prologue,
  • at the end of Prologue he was just knocked out, not shot in the head.

 

According to above statements, Jake couldn't be reliving his memories from U.D.R.C. from Prologue in Chapter One, because:

  • Jake was imprisoned in A.R.C. in Chapter One,
  • he met security officers in Chapter One,
  • Danko was already dead in Chapter One,
  • Ito clearly stated that Jake's exposure for The Gas in Chapter One was the second one,
  • at the end of Chapter One he was shot in the head.

 

And now, some say that Jake from Chapter One is not the one from Chapter Two intro. But how the hell, if the police officer said "we already know what happened from the moment HE was shot in the head and we took him in"?

 

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Now, about place of events from Chapter One. I don't think it was Arizona. In my opinion it was under The City (including the core, the prison and the labs). Why?

  • we can never see outside of the facility until Jake is sniped. We know pretty well that the wole escape part after being shot is just his fantasy,
  • "he was shot in the head and we took him in" sounds too simple. I mean that the simple phrase "we took him in" doesn't indicate that Jake was transported all the loooong way from Arizona to the police department in The City. Also he must have received immediate medical treatment after such wound. Ito's men probably thought that he's dead and they left him dying on the floor. Some time later he was probably found by Micheal/policeman and taken to the hospital. If he would be in the middle of Arizona, he would simply die - I doubt that there would be Micheal or anybody else waiting for him. And even if someone would be, he couldn't make it to the nearest city alive.
  • also if it wasn't in The City, I don't think that anyone would be interested in taking Bryan as well, but I'm probably wrong about this one :P

 

I think when Jake got shot in the head , he got put into coma

 

 

P.S Again My grammar sucks..

 

 

If I am right about there being two Jakes, he could have died after being shot in the head. Though I think it unlikely, as clearly fatal as the shot was.

 

Earlier, someone pointed out Royce (or his PMC man) is heard saying "I have my orders, we'll take him with us." at the end of the prologue/beginning of chapter 1 when you talk to Michael, and everything goes all fuzzy and then the Chp. 1 intro starts. Since this would be when the flashback/Jake switch happens, it could be that Jake 2 is in the room next to where that PMC is talking to the police officer, and as we switch to him, we hear the conversation through his ears.

 

Also, it's been mentioned that the model of Jake after chapter 1 has a visible head wound. While I'm not certain if it's visible at any point during the Chp. 2 teaser, remember, Jake was also smashed in the head by a SWAT (or possibly Terrorist/PMC if I'm wrong) at the end of the prologue. But I think ti was SWAT. No point in bringing Jake into level 0 by helicopter if he was already in the facility to begin with.

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This is my theory  and i also explain why i think there aren't two Jake's

 

I think people saying that there are two Jake's are wrong. It wouldn't be logical. Everything make sense if you look at it this way. Jake was in the chair all the way from the prologue till the end of chapter one, the house is just Jake's mind jumping about, Micheal mentions that his mind has been unable to tell fact from fiction (hence why there is no nuke and you don't escape the base with a minigun and Bryan) The randomness of the ending could just be Jake trying to "fill in the blanks". When Hermit says that you were walking around and acting drunk it would be logical to think that was then you were going through that weird part and you see the lights again, in reality we don't actually know what happened there and it could just be jakes mind drifting and trying to fill the blanks in with something that would be deemed logical.

 

Also the fact that Tom says "i have no son" could just be referring that no one should know that he has a son because they might attack him. Saying that jake turned into the guilt would also make zero sense as the guilt in my opinion is something that Jake fabricated and is a symbol of all the things he has done wrong, He could blame himself for his wife's death or even franks death, hence why the guilt tries to lead Jake into traps and bad situations in the beginning of chapter 2. 

 

The incident that Tom says happened to Jake could be him being exposed to the gas and it would of acted as some sort of vaccine, this could explain why the gas had the effect on Jake at the end of the prologue. It could be that the Janus' were actually attempts to create some sort of super soldier and that is why Ito is so interested in Jake and why he did what he did in the end of the prologue.

 

I also have another theory which explains why you didn't act the way you acted the second time you were gassed. Terry mentions that Ito has been another code red, this then tells use that there are two Janus', i believe that the Janus projects were to create some sort of gas that can be used to create super soldiers. Ito was at the other Janus facility as terry mentioned. It could be that Ito has samples of the gas from the other facility which had been developed differently, he then continues to gas you with the other type of Janus gas and expects the same effect as what happened at the end of the prologue. Ito also mentions that if it was up to him he would kill Jake on sight, which suggests that his superior wants Jake, maybe to see why the gas made you act like you did in the end of the prologue. Ito then tests to see if you do react the way they expect to the gas (go batshit crazy and kill people) but since he has the gas sample from the other Janus facility it did not effect you in the correct way and he would Jake to die which would explain why he just left him there.

 

Again, this is just a theory.

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I have completed Underhell another time. Some notifications:

 

1. There are several clues in Chapter One that Jake is in UDRC, not ARC:

 

- In Level 2 Oxygen Room there is conversation between Terry and Ben and Ben questioning the sense about a prison in middle of the city,

- in Level 2 Mainframe monitors show view of the city,

- in Level 5, the room where Matthew was killed is similiar to the room where SWAT found Jake at the end of Prologue,

- Level 5 offices are similiar to UDRC offices from the end of Prologue,

- During City Void, Jake can see a huge hole under the city,

- Policeman said that thanks to Jake's story they found a way to enter the faclity and Jake wasn't send to Arizona so they found entry to UDRC,

 

2. Random thinks:

 

- When Michael said "So tell me Jake" the flashback starts,

- Jake wrong think that PMC captured him in Police station and send to ARC,

- escape from ARC was mind fantasy,

- thanks to some conversation between inmates you can learn that Hermit lived in faclity since build of it,

- Hermit is very important character - in his lair you can notice newspapers with article about firing of his house - his house is similiar to The House,

- The House isn't real - its a place in Jake's mind (everytime when Jake was sleeping or was in trouble he shift to House)

- after 3rd reading of Tom H Journal you can see firing of The House,

- after 4th reading of Tom H Journal you can see Guilt in test tube,

-  the infection started in ARC - Terminus can be a source behind it,

- at first there was outbreak in ARC then there was another in UDRC,

- terrorist attack in city was a cover for PMC actions in UDRC,

- the city seems to be based on New York (Twin Towers, NYC registration tablets on police cars),

- after Berserk Jake was captured and send to prison in Level 0,

- the scene where SWAT found Jake after Berserk was set after escape from the faclity,

- we don't know what happend with Jake between shoot in the head and found by SWAT,

- Jake somehow knows about ARC because he set his memories from UDRC into ARC,

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Wow. The plot in underhell is super deep. I think I would go far enough to say that Underhell's plot has to be one of the most convoluted yet still enjoyable stories every created for a video game. Like the lines from the underhell theme is "Confusion and chaos" Instead of straight at the end on a cliff hanger, the game keeps you guessing from beginning to end. PLEASE make this a retail game!

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